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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 464 the 13th of August

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2017 Richardson is here with you from

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Sydney Australia where the sun is

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shining down and the cats are happy I

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think these are both good things what's

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coming up on this week's episode of the

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skipper by the way the cats yeah yes

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stay tuned at the end of the show for

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news about the cats or something about

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the cats what's coming up

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on this week's episode of the skeptic

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zone podcast we're going to kick off

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with a or the last in fact the last

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interview recorded at the recent Nexus

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conference in New York I speak to

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Natalie Newell from the science

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enthusiast podcast it's one of the

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things I like about these conferences is

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meeting new and interesting people like

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Natalie you'll find out what the signs

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enthusiast podcast is all about coming

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up after that it's the conclusion of our

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series of interviews with Anne Reed the

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director of the National Center for

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Science education in Oakland California

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and to wrap things up and is going to

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tell us about some of the outreach some

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of the outreach programs being used in

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the United States and something to do

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with Captain Kirk an Iowa man it's

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brouhaha science this week with Casey

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Harrigan is there a shortcut to exercise

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is there a pill we can take to improve

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our heart health or something like that

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I wish there was I don't think there is

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find out with Brewhaha science from

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Australia science TV then we have the

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latest news and this convoluted bizarre

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story of the VAX team promoting this

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awful movie VAX up and down the east

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coast of Australia it turns out that

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upon leaving our country one of the team

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was told that she would be now denied

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entry back into the country for at least

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three years

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that's Polly tummy and I think she's one

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of the producers of the movie what an

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interesting development this is and a

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bit later on I'm going to try and stitch

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together all the the threads

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all the crumbs have been falling from

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the table of information to bring you a

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picture of what we think happened it's a

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little bit sketchy but what isn't

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sketchy is the fact that the government

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have banned this woman from coming back

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to Australia for at least three years

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for peddling her anti-vaccination

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rubbish then to ran off the show it's an

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extended Maynard spooky action may not

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at the pub we're just a couple of weeks

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ago we ran a series of psychic tests for

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the whole audience wow what a fun night

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that was one of the best times I've

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certainly had it skeptics in the pub

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with the help of my friend Ian Bryce

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from the Australian skeptics and also

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from the Australian skeptics Jessica

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hazard white we did Zener card test

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Cena's any card tests we did some water

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divining and we had a really good time

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and I hope and I hope you get some of

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the sense of the the great fun everybody

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had at skeptics in the pub when you hear

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Maynard's

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sideline commentary oh yes may now it's

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the only man I know who can do sideline

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commentary from a pub hmm and speaking

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of main art if you check out Maynard

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comm dot au I notice he's just put up a

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new video there how to clean vinyl

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records in case you wanted to know

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because Maynard has a fabulous

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collection of vinyl records which sadly

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got trapped got stuck in a flood flood

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damaged but Maynard has been spending

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weeks and weeks and weeks scrubbing his

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records he made a video to show you how

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to do it if you're interested

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Maynard comm dot a you check it out and

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of course it goes without saying you can

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also check out Maynard's award-winning

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podcast with Tim Ferguson from the Doug

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Anthony Allstars called bunga bunga stay

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tuned at the end of the episode for more

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news which has only just come to light

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the day of recording I'll put that in at

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the end of this episode to do with

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vaccinations here in Australia but for

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now for now it's time for me to run

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downstairs run out the door

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run into my car drive down the street

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in the United States I'd say french

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fries hot chips with chicken salt

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well I quickly indulge in those chips I

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hope you enjoy the skeptics am looking

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at a sticker that says vaccines work

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GMOs are safe everything is a chemical

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it's an interesting sticker yeah I'm

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gonna peel that off and put it somewhere

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where everybody can read it I've got

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another leaflet here that says this

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science enthusiast podcast that sounds

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like a podcast I should be listening to

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is she saying it who do we have my name

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is Natalie Newell and I'm one of the

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co-hosts of the science enthusiast

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podcast and a filmmaker for movie

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science moms - a documentary that maybe

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you might be interested in hearing about

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- just gets better and better for

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ignorant fools like me tell me more

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about the podcast please so the podcast

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is something I've been doing with my

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friend Dan Broadbent who runs the a

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science enthusiast Facebook page and

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blog which he has this huge audience of

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it's getting close to a million people

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that follow his work on there that

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focuses on things like you know that

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GMOs are safe and vaccines work and all

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atheist secular world - so he and I

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started this podcast a year ago just

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because we wanted to talk to each other

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about all of these things and then

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actually we started the podcast the week

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after last year's Nexus very young is

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the pretty young podcast and one of our

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actually the first guest that

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we had on the podcast as clay Jones who

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spoke here at Nexus this year and spoke

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last year and we just kind of got

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rolling and haven't stopped since that's

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a good thing I'm just briefly looking at

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David Gorski you've got Cara Santa Maria

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to Australia later this year to speak at

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the Australian skeptics international

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convention there's a big crossover

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skepticism isn't there well it's science

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different worlds science skepticism the

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atheist and secular community sometimes

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an interview format so we have every

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just we kind of banter about current

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event type of stuff we we do a silly

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that I say on there but it's like I

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don't necessarily have that much shame

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but we're all embarrassed about all we

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say on our podcast would be you can see

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the novellas in the corner they're

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always embarrassed about what they say

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on there so so yeah we it's like the two

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of Dan and I you know just having a good

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able to do a podcast it's like having

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these big interesting conversations with

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people that you know are like that we

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admire that's good and what's your

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last year we it's weird because we

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weekend people like some somebody came

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conversations that we have are you know

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really positive that that's that's great

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and well folks that's something

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definitely worth checking out the

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science enthusiasts podcast and how can

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people check that out so we are on

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BlogTalkRadio iTunes where I guess just

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wherever podcasts are found science

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and also just follow a science

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specific URL do you have a page as such

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blog talk radio so well folks I'll

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include some links in this week's show

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notes but really if you just google the

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science enthusiast podcast I think you

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can't go wrong and I know you can't go

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wrong because their leaflet has a

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picture of a cat with a big pair of

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glasses and a bowtie it's the Internet

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so cats and cats have to be everywhere

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much and I hope you enjoy the rest of

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our Nexus thank you so much

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interviews with Anne Reed from the

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National Center for science education

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and discusses the challenges and the

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promise of taking science to the people

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especially when it comes to reaching

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climate change because of concern over

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engage communities so that they can

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demonstrate to teachers that they've got

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their backs that there are people in the

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community who care about science and

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care about evolution and climate change

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and who so that the teachers will feel

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like the only thing that happens if I

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teach that topic is somebody's going to

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come in and be pissed off that instead

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if I teach this topic some people are

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gonna be happy and that's and that would

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be a good thing so we started a program

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we call science booster clubs mm-hmm and

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Australia but in the u.s. there are a

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lot of extracurricular activities in

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schools that are supported by parent

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groups okay sure there might be a

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football team or a cheerleading squad or

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band and the parents form a Booster Club

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and they have bake sales and they raise

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money and they buy uniforms so they pay

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for trips to out-of-state games or

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whatever so we thought we'll we'll use

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that model to organize communities into

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science booster clubs to support local

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science education so we started the

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program as a pilot in Iowa we started in

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Iowa for several reasons but the main

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one being that the woman we hired to run

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this program had just finished her

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postdoc there and had really good

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connections in the local schools but the

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other thing is Iowa is a great microcosm

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of the whole United States it's very

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liberal areas has very conservative

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areas so some Australians may have heard

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of it because of the Iowa caucuses it's

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the first presidential primary state

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south and comes from Iowa does it now I

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didn't know that wow that is a detail

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that I didn't know that Captain Kirk um

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anyway

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she started organizing these booster

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clubs and what they did was bring

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science activities to local community

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events like a farmers market or a County

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Fair

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or a public library and all of the

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activities are either about climate

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change or about evolution but they're

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very the approach is completely non

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confrontational but it we are absolutely

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rigorously no conflict this is about

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come and do this activity yourself come

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and bring your kid to do this activity

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engage with the science yourself and

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we're not going to tell you what to

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think we don't compromise the science

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it's not like we say some people say

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this and some people say that we're

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presenting the legitimate science but

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we're doing it in a way that allows

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people to to engage with it themselves

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so for example we have an activity

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called ocean acidification crisis now

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you might think that ocean acidification

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would not be a topic that would get a

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lot of pickup in Iowa but the activity

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is really fun so there's pickups okay

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with water in them

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straws pH paper so you take the pH of

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the water and then you blow bubbles for

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two minutes and then you take the pH

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again and it has it will have gone down

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or the water will have become more

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acidic so it's a it's a hands-on

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activity showing the effect of co2 on

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acidity and then you can talk about the

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fact that this is what happens when co2

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levels rise in the atmosphere the ocean

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absorbs that co2 and becomes more acidic

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or what so what then they have a series

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of jars with mussel shells in them at

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different PHS and show the muscle cells

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start to dissolve when the acidity is

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high so that people can make a

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one-to-one connection between what they

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just did with their breath and what

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happens in the ocean and then if they if

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they have the habit they have the

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possibility of it they'll have a little

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aquarium with a shrimp in it

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and say this is a shrimp everybody knows

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what a shrimp is although a shocking

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number of people are not aware that

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shrimp are animals so seeing the shrimp

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alive with its little legs is often kind

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of a aha moment what are people what do

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they think they are I don't know

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there's seafood maybe there are fish I

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don't know another shocking thing about

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the booster club activities is that one

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of the first activities was a greenhouse

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it just got a little portable greenhouse

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and would you take as many kids as you

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could pack in there and give them a co2

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monitor and a temperature gauge and have

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them stay in there for five minutes and

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show that the co2 level goes up and the

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temperature goes up in the greenhouse

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it's just again that sort of hands-on

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experience of of nature yes and we were

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shocked how many people that didn't know

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what a greenhouse was or didn't know

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that in a greenhouse it gets really hot

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so that what we got talked about at the

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very beginning about people being very

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alienated from science and really having

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had very little engagement with the

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natural world after they get out of

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school this is just being confirmed you

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know event after event after event it

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with these booster clubs but the cool

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thing is is that people love it every

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place that these booster clubs have done

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an activity they've been invited back

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that's good after about two months we

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didn't have to go out and hunt for

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places to put on our activities we were

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being asked to bring them even though

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we're bringing the highest conflict

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potentially highest conflict topics to

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areas where there's a lot of

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disagreement about these issues last

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summer we had a booth at the Iowa State

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Fair which is a huge deal something like

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a quarter of Iowa's population goes to

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the State Fair every year we had a booth

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on evolution

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at the Iowa State Fair about 10,000

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people visited that booth and we had no

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pushback we had no conflict um and so in

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the last two years these groups have now

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done these activities with about 80,000

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people in Iowa and they've raised money

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for teachers they've engaged local

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graduate students and given them an

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opportunity to learn how to do public

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engagement on even on high conflict

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issues so we're now expanding this

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concept to nine other states we're going

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from three clubs to 18 clubs this year

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we've set the whole thing up as a

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research project so we're measuring

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community scientific literacy and

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community science acceptance and the

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communities that have these booster

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clubs and ultimately our hope is that

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these clubs will help provide teachers

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again with the confidence to go ahead

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and teach these topics without being

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afraid so I just wanted to make sure

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that I got that in because it's some I

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think going to be a very powerful way to

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bring science to communities where we're

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in real danger of starting to think of

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ourselves as some people or pro-science

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and some people are anti science that's

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just not the experience that we're

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having in Iowa that people who are even

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in the most Republican parts of the

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state people love science and they love

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bringing their kids to science events

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and they love doing these activities

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themselves so we just can't afford to

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write them off and and say oh well

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they're anti science there's nothing we

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can do because we can we can't do

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something so we're pretty excited about

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about that program well then it's so

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it's been so fascinating I love coming

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back here I don't care where your office

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is it could be anywhere in the world

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it's it's a wonderful thing to be in the

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office of the National Center of Science

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education how can people find out more

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where can the NCSE calm on the web we

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have lots of information there and of

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course if you become a member

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hmm you can get our newsletter every

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three months and the newsletter now

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really focuses on what are we doing for

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teachers how are our booster clubs doing

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what kinds of flare-ups have we dealt

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with

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and and what's been the outcome of these

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legislation and across the United States

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and sometimes around the world so it the

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newsletter is a great way to keep up to

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date with what we're doing and then of

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course the website is very rich yeah

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well I think it's applicable for science

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teachers no matter where you are from

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Australia to the United States to to

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everywhere mm-hmm I think any science

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teacher would do well to visit your site

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once again

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pleasure to be here thank you it's great

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to see you again that was the final of

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our series of interviews with Anne Reed

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I'd like to thank Anne very much for her

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time and I look forward to my next visit

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[Music]

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and now direct from the cafe and

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Australia's Science Channel its brouhaha

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science in less time than it takes to

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sorry to break your heart but if

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something sounds too good to be true

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it is here's what's true researchers

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have discovered a protein that helps the

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heart grow in the same way that exercise

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does heart muscle has evolved to pump

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blood around the body and we can

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strengthen it by exercising but for

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people with heart failure things get a

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little more complicated heart muscles

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that used to be strong become weak and

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other muscles start overcompensating and

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cause more harm than good

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the newly discovered protein strengthens

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the good muscles and shrinks the bad

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over compensating muscles and here's

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what's too good to be true a million

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headlines

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screaming exercise pill the protein does

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mimic the effects of exercise on this

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one specific muscle but there's no such

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thing as an exercise pill or any

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shortcut when it comes to working out

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there's no point having a strong heart

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if you have no aerobic endurance or body

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strength only exercise gives you the

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holistic benefits of everything from

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bone strength to lung capacity to an

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endorphin rush so it's great news for

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people with heart problems but the rest

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of us still need to hit the gym

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[Music]

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for more brouhaha and Australian science

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visit www.azpbs.org and escape from the

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Westboro Baptists the sex bias of sex

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science and all manner of other science

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more plus insects for breakfast

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mmm YUM QED 2017 takes place on the

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the details will see you in October last

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week we brought you the story of the the

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VAX TV touring Australia in fact the

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last few weeks I think we've been

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mentioning this while dramatic

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happenings over the last week when the

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VAX team left the country to head to New

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Zealand to peddle their nonsense one of

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them Polly Tommy was detained at the

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airport and as a result she has been

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denied entry back into Australia for at

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least three years now it has urdhva

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guests to say even after three years it

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would be very unlikely that she would

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get back into this country let's see if

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we can put together some of the threads

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of the story that has been emerging over

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the last week

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[Music]

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as published on the Aged online the age

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kaamdar au by a Melissa Cunningham on

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the 9th of August 2017 anti-vaccination

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advocate banned from Australia after

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documentary tour the producer behind a

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controversial anti-vaccination film

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which has been touring Australia has

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been banned from returning to the

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country for three years

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she claims British anti vaccination

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campaigner Polly Tommy who believes the

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measles mumps rubella vaccine caused her

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son's autism sparked outrage when she

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told audiences around Australia that

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quote doctors were murderous in quote

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Miz Tommy spearheaded a sold-out

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National Road show of the documentary

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vexed from cover up to catastrophe

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organised by the Australian vaccination

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skeptics Network directed by Andrew

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Wakefield a former doctor whos debunked

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study played a key role in the

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anti-vaccination movement the film

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reignites false claims about the link

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between mumps measles and rubella

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vaccine and autism hours after being

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banned from the country ms Tommy took to

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social media to condemn the federal

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government in the video posted on

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YouTube on Tuesday miss Tommy claimed

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authorities seized her phone and copied

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her emails as she left Australian soil

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to continue the New Zealand leg of the

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film tour quote Australia to me is

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literally the worst country I've visited

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end quote she said quote not the people

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the government

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end quote Ms Tommy said she was

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interrogated about her involvement in

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the documentary and banned for three

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years

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although admitted she does not yet have

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any documents to confirm this she was

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banned from the country over alleged a

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visa breaches she said quote they

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Australian border force told me I was

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banned from Australia for three years

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and that I would be getting a letter to

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confirm this and quote ms tommy said

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medical experts and political leaders

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discredited the documentary as anti

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vaccination proper

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and a quote public health risk men quote

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a number of the secret screenings of the

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documentary and Q&A sessions were hosted

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in Australia including one last week at

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villages crowned casino cinemas in the

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South Bank and another in Melbourne

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eastern suburbs earlier this month the

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Australian national University's science

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department was also condemned for

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unwittingly screening the film the

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Australian vaccination skeptics network

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later uploaded videos of the event to

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social media showing some of those

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involved claiming the event was

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implicitly endorsed by the University

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when it was not Melbourne orthopedic

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surgeon dr. John Cunningham who was

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awarded an Order of Australia medal for

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his research and promotion of

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immunization said it was one of the most

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dangerous films he had ever come across

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dr. Cunningham said the film had the

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potential to harm generations of

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children in Australia quote we are

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living in an era where people are dying

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and needlessly and quote dr. Cunningham

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said quote babies will die if they are

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not vaccinated this sort of Lies and

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misinformation are a threat to the

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public health and people who promote

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these ideas should be treated with

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disdain and shouldn't be given a stage

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in which to spread their lies end quote

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last week the nation's health ministers

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also rejected the anti-vaccination

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movement and reaffirmed the role that

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vaccinations play in protecting children

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from potentially life-threatening

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infections Federal Health Minister Greg

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Hunt condemned the film and said it was

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based on quote unscientific conspiracy

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theories men quote the Department of

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Immigration and Border Protection has

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been contacted for comment miss Tommy

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has also been contacted for comment and

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that comes to us from the age

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commandante you published on the 9th of

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now it's interesting that the section of

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the PDF or a PDF which seems to be the

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official reason pali tommy was barred

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from coming back to australia for at

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least three years comes to us from the

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VAX from cover up the catastrophe

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official Facebook page and this PDF is

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titled Polly Tommy s 1 to 8 notice of

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cancellation dot PDF and it appears to

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be from the federal government from

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border force which is the arm of

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government which looks after our borders

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and regulation in import and export and

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all that sort of stuff security and in

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part the document says information

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because of which the grounds were

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considered to exist open source

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information indicates that you are a

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prominent anti-vaccination activist in

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the United States of America you

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recently visited Australia participating

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in delivering seminars at numerous

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locations about anti-vaccination and

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promoted an anti vaccination film titled

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VAX

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and the other part of the document that

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we have or at least the section of it

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which has been put on the Facebook page

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there Polly Tommy s 1 to 8 notice of

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cancellation and this section says

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presumably section e the presence of its

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holder in Australia is or may be or

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would or might be a risk to one the

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health safety or good order of the

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Australian community or a segment of the

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Australian community so it seems based

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on this that Polly Tommy was barred from

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coming back into Australia for health

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and safety reasons

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so far we've yet to ascertain whether

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it's because she lied on her visa

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application but we have no evidence of

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that but it's interesting to look at

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some of the responses on the VAX

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Facebook page to this news and the

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posting of these documents here's a

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comment Wow when you think of the

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hundreds of millions they have put down

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on this country wide vaccinate

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brainwashing propaganda campaign it's

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astounding that one person with a big

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scary threatening different opinion

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could be such a threat exclamation mark

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exclamation mark exclamation mark they

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are scared exclamation mark exclamation

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mark exclamation mark exclamation mark

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well done Bali well done Australians you

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are waking up exclamation mark

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exclamation mark exclamation mark I

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won't read anymore exclamation marks

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another comment here our government is

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so smart aren't they insert sarcastic

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tone here if I don't laugh I may cry lol

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continue to ruffle those feathers guys

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hashtag we will win this fight

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another comment here hmm and who decides

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that information and debate about

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mandated medical intervention is a risk

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to the health safety or good order of

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the Australian community oh yes those

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enforcing mandated medical intervention

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dot another one we'll see you in three

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years Polly love heart love heart love

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heart another one right now I am ashamed

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to be Australian

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another one that's no joke the

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government control and before it's

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deleted I've just noticed a comment here

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replying to one of the other comments

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nobody is scared you dingbat nor is her

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as a different opinion she spreads

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outright lies and misinformation which

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is soaked up by the great unwashed

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willfully ignorant and mentally

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challenged it is people like her and her

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rabid fans who put our nation's health

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at risk poor effort and turning a

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negative into a positive

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so I expect that comment may well be

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now we have more reports coming in about

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this this case and why Polly Tommy has

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been banned from re-entering Australia

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accounts from one of the blogs that

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support the anti-vaccination movement so

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it's couched in in terms that would be

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positive towards Polly Tommy says she

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was detained by immigration they asked

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her for a phone her iPad and took all

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her correspondence with the Australian

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group Australian vaccination network

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avian of course they mean the Estonian

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vaccination skeptics Network and

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photographed every piece of paper she

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had filling up three USB sticks well

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that would be extraordinary if you could

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even fill up one USB stick these days

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she was detained for approximately 40

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minutes and aggressively questioned they

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wanted to know who was making money from

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the film VAX and whether dr. Andrew

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Wakefield was in the country the agents

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also made her write Andrew Wakefield 's

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name on a piece of paper hmm when Polly

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Tommy asked on what grounds she was

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being detained the agents said she would

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shortly receive an explanation through

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the mail that came from the Australian

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Government Department of Immigration and

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Border Protection and arrived on

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Thursday the 9th of August

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apparently it says in part evidence of

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grounds for cancellation open source

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information indicates that Ms Tommy is a

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prominent anti-vaccination activist in

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the United States of America Ms Tommy

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recently visited Australia participating

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in delivering seminars at numerous

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00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,099
locations about anti-vaccination and

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promoted and anti-vaccination film

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titled VAX based on this information I

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am satisfied that if the wider

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Australian community had became aware of

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MS Tommy's intended activities while she

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was in Australia recently her presence

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in Australia would be a risk to the good

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order of the Australian community it

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goes on quote good order in quote in the

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context of one one six one e

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is concerned with the actions by a visa

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holder which have an impact on the

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public activities or which manifests

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themselves in a public way including the

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risk of adverse reaction by certain

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members of the Australian society to the

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visa holders presence in Australia

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therefore it appears miss Tommy's

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presence in Australia would be a risk to

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the good order of the Australian

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community and I am satisfied there is

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ground to cancel your visa under Section

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1 1 6 1e so that's couched in what we

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might call formal language legal

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language it's very interesting that

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that's the approach that apparently has

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been used and again we're only relying

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on what has sort of been filtered down

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through the VAX people and other sources

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but I will say this and it's quite a

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good lesson to remember that complaints

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to official government channels can pay

826
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:41,190
off now skeptical activism in general is

827
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:44,250
a good thing we can raise awareness in

828
00:36:49,579 --> 00:36:46,380
the general community but when it comes

829
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:49,589
to the crunch when serious action needs

830
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:53,970
to be taken it really is one of the

831
00:36:59,930 --> 00:36:56,490
duties of government and government can

832
00:37:03,109 --> 00:36:59,940
only act efficiently and properly if

833
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:03,119
it's aided and supported by its citizens

834
00:37:10,579 --> 00:37:08,250
so well done all the concerned citizens

835
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:10,589
in Australia who were certainly on the

836
00:37:16,370 --> 00:37:13,710
case of this wretched movie being walked

837
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:16,380
around the country and took action in

838
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:20,210
regards to formal applications to the

839
00:37:26,059 --> 00:37:23,730
via the correct channels this also sets

840
00:37:29,140 --> 00:37:26,069
a very useful precedent for future

841
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:29,150
visits or pending future visits for

842
00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:32,400
anti-vaccination activists don't think

843
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:34,140
you can come into this country and

844
00:37:58,220 --> 00:37:38,370
peddle your nonsense without consequence

845
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:00,809
today this dr. Karl Karl Chris must be

846
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,410
proud to be skeptic and you can find out

847
00:38:09,460 --> 00:38:04,720
more about me at dr. Karl calm and get

848
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:16,090
[Music]

849
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:23,710
his main art spooky action at a distance

850
00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:27,700
oh wow what a wild night you are in for

851
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:29,630
this evening that the first earth day of

852
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:31,310
the month and that's when skeptics in

853
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,690
the pub happens in Sydney at the

854
00:38:34,990 --> 00:38:34,400
Occidental on the third level and

855
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:35,000
tonight

856
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,000
we'll be going beyond well beyond the

857
00:38:43,630 --> 00:38:40,400
third level who BR will be going beyond

858
00:38:46,210 --> 00:38:43,640
the merchant seaman's 10-year reunion

859
00:38:48,579 --> 00:38:46,220
that's on downstairs we'll be going to

860
00:38:52,030 --> 00:38:48,589
finding some people are genuinely

861
00:38:53,770 --> 00:38:52,040
talented and psychic now I'm not one of

862
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,780
them I can never tell what's going on in

863
00:38:55,630 --> 00:38:55,040
fact I don't even know what I'm gonna

864
00:38:57,339 --> 00:38:55,640
say next

865
00:38:59,319 --> 00:38:57,349
but someone who can figure this out

866
00:39:01,720 --> 00:38:59,329
allegedly is a member of the shadowy

867
00:39:02,980 --> 00:39:01,730
elite mr. Richard Saunders good evening

868
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:02,990
may night now I'm right here at the

869
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:03,530
table

870
00:39:08,010 --> 00:39:04,910
we're setting up here at skeptics in the

871
00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:08,020
pub and this you can hear that's the

872
00:39:13,540 --> 00:39:11,270
jangling of divining rods and tonight

873
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:13,550
we're doing water divining to actually

874
00:39:15,849 --> 00:39:14,690
having done the mystery investigators

875
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:15,859
show with you a couple of times I know

876
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:18,410
that how they are used and what sort of

877
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:19,609
percentage do you normally get because I

878
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:20,960
like it when we have kids and they

879
00:39:23,620 --> 00:39:22,490
actually defy the odds and they get it

880
00:39:27,490 --> 00:39:23,630
twice in a row

881
00:39:28,690 --> 00:39:27,500
it happens about the same amount of

882
00:39:30,490 --> 00:39:28,700
times you'd expect them to happen by

883
00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:30,500
random chance normally we get one in one

884
00:39:34,540 --> 00:39:32,630
and 50 what is it you got me you've got

885
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:34,550
me you've got me it's one in six and

886
00:39:40,180 --> 00:39:37,490
once it one in 36 okay something like

887
00:39:42,099 --> 00:39:40,190
that depending anyway but also we have

888
00:39:42,970 --> 00:39:42,109
here on the table we have these giants

889
00:39:46,930 --> 00:39:42,980
in the cards

890
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:46,940
there we go star wavy line cross circle

891
00:39:50,890 --> 00:39:49,609
and square tonight Jessica Hazzard white

892
00:39:53,740 --> 00:39:50,900
from the committee we'll be talking

893
00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:53,750
about the origin of Zener cards get out

894
00:39:57,099 --> 00:39:55,430
yeah before we do the test again a

895
00:39:59,470 --> 00:39:57,109
triple barrel name ooh

896
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,480
there's something in that she was maybe

897
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:01,520
the shooter on the grassy knoll I think

898
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:04,010
she might have been so we've cut water

899
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:08,450
dividing test without six buckets a

900
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,730
wobbly table it looks like we've got our

901
00:40:15,730 --> 00:40:13,040
water here hmm people got to look for

902
00:40:19,420 --> 00:40:15,740
Zener cards and to round off we have a

903
00:40:21,579 --> 00:40:19,430
heads and tails which is a 50/50 shot

904
00:40:23,770 --> 00:40:21,589
each time and the whole audience are

905
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:23,780
going to be participating they're going

906
00:40:26,620 --> 00:40:24,890
to predict the future with heads and

907
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,630
hands and also how many goes do you

908
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:28,400
think it'll take to get to the final

909
00:40:36,380 --> 00:40:34,550
I got a call at 6 or 7 I'll say seven

910
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:36,390
tonight and the prize that they were

911
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:38,010
giving away is someone who was a guest

912
00:40:42,260 --> 00:40:39,780
on this previous show yeah yeah the

913
00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:42,270
prize is and then you did a scientific

914
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:44,760
exploration of the world's most

915
00:40:49,580 --> 00:40:48,090
interesting ways to die autographed by

916
00:40:52,070 --> 00:40:49,590
dr. Paul dirty there we are

917
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:52,080
is the autograph autographed on the

918
00:40:55,250 --> 00:40:53,760
skeptic zone some weeks ago and don't

919
00:40:56,990 --> 00:40:55,260
forget it is skeptics in the pub in

920
00:40:59,090 --> 00:40:57,000
Sydney at the Occidental the first

921
00:41:00,680 --> 00:40:59,100
Thursday of every month from six o'clock

922
00:41:02,540 --> 00:41:00,690
thrill about eight or nine o'clock isn't

923
00:41:04,820 --> 00:41:02,550
it until they throw the last person out

924
00:41:07,610 --> 00:41:04,830
yes okay well I'll sit down and quietly

925
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:07,620
I'll go I'll be your sideline eye on

926
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:10,410
what the shadowy elite get up to tonight

927
00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:13,260
in their Haven of misbehaving here at

928
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:15,420
the Occidental right here we are

929
00:41:18,590 --> 00:41:17,010
beforehand now it's gonna get very busy

930
00:41:20,660 --> 00:41:18,600
with skeptics like I said the shadowy

931
00:41:22,070 --> 00:41:20,670
elite will be here and another member of

932
00:41:23,540 --> 00:41:22,080
the shadowy elite and one of the triple

933
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:23,550
barrel nine that's Jessica hazard white

934
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:25,290
that's a bit like Austin danger Powers

935
00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:29,910
isn't it you've got a dangerous middle

936
00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:32,430
name and also triple barrel name means

937
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:33,660
obviously you're the shooter on the

938
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:37,440
grassy knoll remember people who commit

939
00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:38,850
crime in the States always seem to have

940
00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:40,740
three names ever notice that Lee Harvey

941
00:41:45,860 --> 00:41:43,380
Oswald John Wayne Gacy are there men too

942
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:45,870
oh I don't know if I'm ever gonna get

943
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:48,930
that notorious if I do I well if I do I

944
00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:51,570
hope it's not for murder tell us about

945
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:53,880
the history of the Zener card I was

946
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:55,290
under the belief that it had something

947
00:41:59,240 --> 00:41:57,810
to do with the Zener television show or

948
00:42:01,100 --> 00:41:59,250
something to do with that am I right

949
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:01,110
about that so not to my knowledge or not

950
00:42:04,310 --> 00:42:02,490
from my research but then again my

951
00:42:06,140 --> 00:42:04,320
research who knows maybe it was not

952
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:06,150
comprehensive enough so they were

953
00:42:10,780 --> 00:42:08,850
invented by a psychic psychology

954
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:10,790
researcher who was looking at

955
00:42:14,810 --> 00:42:12,690
parapsychology so his name was Karl

956
00:42:16,940 --> 00:42:14,820
Zener and this research was being done

957
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:16,950
in the 1930s so they were really

958
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:19,650
interested in you know trying to be more

959
00:42:27,020 --> 00:42:25,050
systematic and methodical in examining

960
00:42:29,330 --> 00:42:27,030
sort of thye phenomena as they call it

961
00:42:31,070 --> 00:42:29,340
or you know everything in that realm

962
00:42:32,570 --> 00:42:31,080
of course most people would have seen

963
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:32,580
these in the opening scene of

964
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:35,010
ghostbusters with Bill Murray yes

965
00:42:39,050 --> 00:42:36,930
and there's actually on the Wikipedia

966
00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:39,060
page there is a long list of different

967
00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:40,920
places where they've appeared in

968
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:42,180
different movies and so on

969
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:44,370
and album pitches all this kind of stuff

970
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:46,410
so there they come up a lot in in

971
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:48,090
popular culture and of course you've got

972
00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:49,110
to play the stats with them because

973
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:50,580
there's normally five so you've got at

974
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:52,140
any time twenty percent chance of

975
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:53,760
picking one of them is that correct yes

976
00:43:01,580 --> 00:42:57,540
so they're usually a classic deck has 25

977
00:43:02,810 --> 00:43:01,590
cards so five of each type so if ideally

978
00:43:04,220 --> 00:43:02,820
when it's done well you want to put each

979
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:04,230
time you pull out a card to look at it

980
00:43:08,570 --> 00:43:06,090
you put it back in because if you don't

981
00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:08,580
if you keep taking them out then it

982
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,440
makes it very easy to count cards a lot

983
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:12,000
easier to count cards and just from a

984
00:43:16,610 --> 00:43:14,370
standard deck so if anyone's if it Chloe

985
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:16,620
got a good memory good with maths they

986
00:43:20,060 --> 00:43:18,510
could very easily game it if you don't

987
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:20,070
put the cards back in now have you been

988
00:43:24,020 --> 00:43:22,290
practicing at home I haven't been but

989
00:43:25,940 --> 00:43:24,030
I've been reading about it but I did it

990
00:43:27,860 --> 00:43:25,950
was something that I did as a teenager I

991
00:43:30,980 --> 00:43:27,870
think I roped my parents into doing it

992
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:30,990
with me didn't find anything but it was

993
00:43:34,820 --> 00:43:33,450
it was fun to play with oh look you've

994
00:43:36,860 --> 00:43:34,830
actually got something who he boogie

995
00:43:37,850 --> 00:43:36,870
you're wearing a how would you describe

996
00:43:40,210 --> 00:43:37,860
what you're wearing because it's got

997
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:40,220
you've got you are wearing the occult

998
00:43:44,030 --> 00:43:42,210
Ouija board dress I think would be the

999
00:43:44,810 --> 00:43:44,040
easiest way of describing it it's I

1000
00:43:45,860 --> 00:43:44,820
thought it would be quite appropriate

1001
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:45,870
for the night and I've got my little

1002
00:43:51,050 --> 00:43:49,500
crystal earrings we've got them that

1003
00:43:52,460 --> 00:43:51,060
mean they get vibrations or they pick up

1004
00:43:54,350 --> 00:43:52,470
vibrations is there something about that

1005
00:43:56,060 --> 00:43:54,360
particular nose rose quartz as special

1006
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:56,070
as that a special quartz you know what I

1007
00:43:59,240 --> 00:43:57,810
think I think they're all special but

1008
00:44:00,560 --> 00:43:59,250
the problem is every one that I read

1009
00:44:01,730 --> 00:44:00,570
about they tell me this special in a

1010
00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:01,740
different way so I don't know what the

1011
00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:03,060
answer is to that one yeah it's a

1012
00:44:06,940 --> 00:44:04,260
problem in who it tends to be bit

1013
00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:06,950
inconsistent something I guess

1014
00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:08,700
inconsistent and interesting about the

1015
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:10,590
Zener cards is that it can't tell you

1016
00:44:15,830 --> 00:44:13,200
whether the ability of testing for is

1017
00:44:17,330 --> 00:44:15,840
telepathy or clairvoyance so for

1018
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:17,340
instance if you were to get a

1019
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:19,170
particularly good score it could be

1020
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:21,660
because you're reading my mind that you

1021
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:23,940
can hear my thoughts thinking it's the

1022
00:44:27,950 --> 00:44:25,890
square or it's a triangle or it's the

1023
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:27,960
wavy lines but it could also be

1024
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:30,050
clairvoyance so you're just somehow

1025
00:44:34,340 --> 00:44:32,370
pulling that information in from the

1026
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:34,350
universe so it could be seeing the card

1027
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,300
rather than seeing what's in your mind

1028
00:44:39,790 --> 00:44:38,160
that's actually a third option I hadn't

1029
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:39,800
thought about so that would be Claire

1030
00:44:43,820 --> 00:44:41,610
what's that called when you can do

1031
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:43,830
things there I think it would be

1032
00:44:48,699 --> 00:44:45,660
clairvoyant that's saying things

1033
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:48,709
clairaudient is hearing things

1034
00:44:54,739 --> 00:44:51,930
yes I don't know if yes because if you

1035
00:44:56,269 --> 00:44:54,749
clairvoyant am i seeing it from you I am

1036
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,279
I seeing it somehow for another

1037
00:45:00,620 --> 00:44:57,839
dimension from the card that's a tough

1038
00:45:02,420 --> 00:45:00,630
one remote viewing or would that be too

1039
00:45:05,209 --> 00:45:02,430
news that could possibly be an example

1040
00:45:07,249 --> 00:45:05,219
of remote viewing as well fascinating

1041
00:45:09,499 --> 00:45:07,259
many things that could be mmm

1042
00:45:11,209 --> 00:45:09,509
look I will get to mki people at home I

1043
00:45:14,479 --> 00:45:11,219
know we'll get to mkultra eventually

1044
00:45:16,219 --> 00:45:14,489
okay well I'll look for telling everyone

1045
00:45:17,449 --> 00:45:16,229
about this and do you think we'll have

1046
00:45:20,299 --> 00:45:17,459
many people getting it right

1047
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:20,309
look I'm always hoping I'm always

1048
00:45:24,019 --> 00:45:22,410
hopeful but I think it's not too likely

1049
00:45:25,699 --> 00:45:24,029
although you know in a smaller sample

1050
00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:25,709
size like this you can get outliers

1051
00:45:28,609 --> 00:45:27,209
that's just the nature of statistics

1052
00:45:30,739 --> 00:45:28,619
maybe you'll get someone who does really

1053
00:45:32,269 --> 00:45:30,749
well but it's what when you have large

1054
00:45:33,410 --> 00:45:32,279
enough numbers large enough samples

1055
00:45:34,999 --> 00:45:33,420
that's when everything comes out in the

1056
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:35,009
wash and it tends to perform just a

1057
00:45:38,420 --> 00:45:36,660
chance I say tens I'm trying to be

1058
00:45:42,709 --> 00:45:38,430
positive it always performs a chance so

1059
00:45:45,289 --> 00:45:42,719
far also online you can get Reggie ber

1060
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:45,299
Reggie board black or white curtains and

1061
00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:47,160
you can get Ouija board black or white

1062
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:48,839
sheets with matching pillows which is

1063
00:45:53,539 --> 00:45:51,599
hilarious I think that might be a nice

1064
00:45:56,299 --> 00:45:53,549
addition to my house oh and here we have

1065
00:46:00,439 --> 00:45:56,309
some cements some mystifying myths from

1066
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:00,449
Richard in a beautiful way gbaud tin mmm

1067
00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:02,910
with that horrible bloody American thing

1068
00:46:13,859 --> 00:46:04,140
is into wintergreen

1069
00:46:19,299 --> 00:46:17,440
by a scientist or somebody in the the

1070
00:46:21,460 --> 00:46:19,309
field of science generally speaking

1071
00:46:26,130 --> 00:46:21,470
we've had all sorts of interesting talks

1072
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,140
and the University though was strawpoll

1073
00:46:31,870 --> 00:46:29,119
one of the most interesting folks we had

1074
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:31,880
was about frogs a couple years ago

1075
00:46:37,059 --> 00:46:34,130
people remember that to this day of

1076
00:46:39,250 --> 00:46:37,069
wonderful work by scientists Germany

1077
00:46:42,130 --> 00:46:39,260
Ronnie I think from the Australian

1078
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:42,140
Museum we'll talk about frogs including

1079
00:46:46,420 --> 00:46:44,930
the famine by a frog you never know what

1080
00:46:48,460 --> 00:46:46,430
you get when you come the skeptics in

1081
00:46:51,609 --> 00:46:48,470
the pub so it's all about looking at

1082
00:46:54,849 --> 00:46:51,619
some famous psychic pets and letting

1083
00:46:59,609 --> 00:46:54,859
everybody here join in on the fun so if

1084
00:47:03,579 --> 00:46:59,619
North is your potential psychic ability

1085
00:47:05,339 --> 00:47:03,589
also here tonight is the Star reporter

1086
00:47:09,970 --> 00:47:05,349
for the skipped example cast not

1087
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,980
everybody comes out and he might be

1088
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,599
coming around a bit later on to have a

1089
00:47:15,819 --> 00:47:13,520
check to you for the podcast if you want

1090
00:47:18,730 --> 00:47:15,829
to say hello or give more thoughts and

1091
00:47:20,980 --> 00:47:18,740
comments that's always welcome so there

1092
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:20,990
are three tests now we're going to keep

1093
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:23,359
up with the classic Zener cards which

1094
00:47:26,289 --> 00:47:24,529
will be explained to you in a moment

1095
00:47:28,299 --> 00:47:26,299
then it will have the chance for

1096
00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:28,309
everybody who wants to to try their hand

1097
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:38,790
we'll get to that soon and the winner of

1098
00:47:59,460 --> 00:47:40,960
these any cards gets are pretreated the

1099
00:48:01,950 --> 00:47:59,470
power of their choice and the winner of

1100
00:48:03,570 --> 00:48:01,960
our final test which is the classic

1101
00:48:06,210 --> 00:48:03,580
heads and tails which is a prediction

1102
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:06,220
test see how well your psychic

1103
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:08,530
prediction works gets a copy an

1104
00:48:13,620 --> 00:48:11,050
autographed copy of this book and then

1105
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:13,630
your name the scientific exploration of

1106
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:15,930
the world's most interesting ways to die

1107
00:48:21,930 --> 00:48:19,810
and uplifting it is uplifting which I

1108
00:48:23,370 --> 00:48:21,940
reviewed on this hippies own podcast and

1109
00:48:25,050 --> 00:48:23,380
I met the author and so that's

1110
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:25,060
autographed by the author so that's the

1111
00:48:31,110 --> 00:48:27,490
grand prize tonight but tonight it's all

1112
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:31,120
about fun and interest and help kick off

1113
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:36,130
our first test and allow me to sister

1114
00:48:41,090 --> 00:48:39,040
I'll be assisting the wonderful Jessica

1115
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:41,100
white everybody

1116
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:46,570
Jessica's taking the stage I'm not used

1117
00:48:53,850 --> 00:48:48,250
to holding a microphone so it's unholy

1118
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:53,860
to close so I'm beginning a little bit

1119
00:48:59,100 --> 00:48:57,370
of an introduction on zan cars so first

1120
00:49:03,240 --> 00:48:59,110
I'll just start by showing you what they

1121
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:04,450
[Music]

1122
00:49:07,610 --> 00:49:06,930
okay this is where the skeptics rubber

1123
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:07,620
meets the road

1124
00:49:20,060 --> 00:49:16,530
skeptically Richard is approaching

1125
00:49:22,250 --> 00:49:20,070
Jessica and giving her a Xena card which

1126
00:49:34,310 --> 00:49:22,260
she's holding close and no one can see

1127
00:49:35,540 --> 00:49:34,320
it people are kissing we do you what

1128
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:35,550
she's thinking a lot of white noise

1129
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:42,000
there but just earlier Jessica that's

1130
00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:43,410
mentioning it she's a big fan of the

1131
00:50:00,380 --> 00:49:47,160
movie Grease - oh she could be the only

1132
00:50:03,290 --> 00:50:00,390
fan of movie Grease - more cons now if

1133
00:50:05,570 --> 00:50:03,300
you could cut the tension in the room

1134
00:50:07,220 --> 00:50:05,580
with something that wasn't a knife that

1135
00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:07,230
could cut tension that can't be

1136
00:50:21,059 --> 00:50:18,660
let's just see how these shadowy indeed

1137
00:50:31,140 --> 00:50:21,069
skeptics go when they put to the test

1138
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:31,150
hello okay bingo got to round H now with

1139
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:33,250
the Zener cards I Jessica is having

1140
00:50:36,839 --> 00:50:34,930
trouble concentrating I think because

1141
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:36,849
the Zener cards have been dipped in

1142
00:50:39,710 --> 00:51:07,589
[Music]

1143
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:14,289
okay ready very tense moment here number

1144
00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:21,200
one Russ or yeah and in the last one ten

1145
00:51:42,700 --> 00:51:38,019
so any any what this table got it how'd

1146
00:51:44,620 --> 00:51:42,710
you go it around there no he's not

1147
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:44,630
psychic and he might be a member of the

1148
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:51,849
now we find out if among about the

1149
00:52:30,729 --> 00:51:54,559
hundred skeptics here anybody got all

1150
00:52:36,779 --> 00:52:30,739
ten correct zero poor effort go someone

1151
00:52:42,279 --> 00:52:41,170
you've just here don't all come at once

1152
00:52:44,650 --> 00:52:42,289
and we're going to give you a to

1153
00:52:47,259 --> 00:52:44,660
divining rod and your job is to walk up

1154
00:52:49,479 --> 00:52:47,269
and walk along the boxes until you think

1155
00:52:52,989 --> 00:52:49,489
you know which box the waters in and

1156
00:52:55,029 --> 00:52:52,999
then your line will be recorded with the

1157
00:53:00,200 --> 00:52:55,039
possible selection and once everyone's

1158
00:53:01,730 --> 00:53:00,210
here to go number of successful

1159
00:53:03,860 --> 00:53:01,740
[Music]

1160
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:03,870
right now it's for the people to come up

1161
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:05,850
and see if they can find out what bottle

1162
00:53:10,130 --> 00:53:08,400
Richard has hidden it under we all hid

1163
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:10,140
it from him he it's been Randall to

1164
00:53:30,860 --> 00:53:18,090
randomly assigned to buy a dice idea I'm

1165
00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:30,870
gonna go after the bar you feeling

1166
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:31,740
confident oh you sir

1167
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:32,970
absolutely you've done some water

1168
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:35,370
divining before no okay not that I know

1169
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,010
this could be your first time future

1170
00:53:42,460 --> 00:53:40,160
millionaire I was talking to there

1171
00:53:44,990 --> 00:53:42,470
Marcus who should I find the bar but

1172
00:53:46,610 --> 00:53:45,000
ilithyia who is checking out the house

1173
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:46,620
sparkling as you would expect from a

1174
00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:48,510
woman of her quality so how did you on

1175
00:53:54,260 --> 00:53:50,310
those in a card test ilithyia I've got a

1176
00:53:55,610 --> 00:53:54,270
big goose egg nothing nothing call

1177
00:53:57,620 --> 00:53:55,620
yourself a member of the shadow really

1178
00:54:00,620 --> 00:53:57,630
Duluth I say yeah and you're not gonna

1179
00:54:03,230 --> 00:54:00,630
forget the wood divining already one at

1180
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,240
all oh we don't know you do he was okay

1181
00:54:08,540 --> 00:54:04,800
what okay which one did you get an

1182
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:08,550
attraction to I my I don't get the

1183
00:54:13,940 --> 00:54:10,530
attraction divining rods

1184
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:13,950
I immediately attracted to five five

1185
00:54:18,380 --> 00:54:16,260
okay righty-o well we'll just see how

1186
00:54:19,970 --> 00:54:18,390
she goes when the reserves yeah when

1187
00:54:21,770 --> 00:54:19,980
it's reviewed in just a minute okay

1188
00:54:24,570 --> 00:54:21,780
she's doing some champagne dividing

1189
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,580
right now actually by the way

1190
00:54:28,780 --> 00:54:26,720
Lara you're looking confident with this

1191
00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:28,790
oh yeah very common oh yes you can find

1192
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:32,470
water anywhere you doesn't drink water I

1193
00:54:37,210 --> 00:54:35,330
saw I'm at the table now watching as we

1194
00:54:39,340 --> 00:54:37,220
go through people using air divining

1195
00:54:41,590 --> 00:54:39,350
rods with the hidden bottle of water

1196
00:54:44,170 --> 00:54:41,600
under one of six different containers

1197
00:54:46,420 --> 00:54:44,180
people are testing out their done so if

1198
00:54:51,220 --> 00:54:46,430
you're feeling confident are you I am

1199
00:54:54,750 --> 00:54:51,230
indeed what you go just confident in her

1200
00:55:02,490 --> 00:54:58,960
okay she's walking along there seems to

1201
00:55:05,410 --> 00:55:02,500
be no deflection at all at the moment

1202
00:55:06,670 --> 00:55:05,420
doesn't seem to be going any do it not

1203
00:55:08,340 --> 00:55:06,680
getting anything either way are you

1204
00:55:11,530 --> 00:55:08,350
really

1205
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:11,540
hmm that's pointing it in Brys bit of a

1206
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:13,040
disappointment really that's not quite

1207
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:15,710
although he is mainly uh-oh right now

1208
00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:19,040
she's hit herself in the chin here we go

1209
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:20,390
he's there calm if you're still feeling

1210
00:55:24,220 --> 00:55:22,910
confident no now he's lost at all real

1211
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:24,230
he's gone to water here but that's what

1212
00:55:40,830 --> 00:55:36,960
first timer and East he's got something

1213
00:55:42,540 --> 00:55:40,840
nice feeling it for number three I'll

1214
00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:42,550
just take you sideline now to where

1215
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:44,710
Jessica and Richard are but you you run

1216
00:55:47,850 --> 00:55:46,090
a few of these before how do you think

1217
00:55:49,890 --> 00:55:47,860
that people seem to be game but only you

1218
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:49,900
know where it is so don't say anything

1219
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:52,330
but what I think the style of the

1220
00:55:56,430 --> 00:55:54,250
divining rod usage here tonight at the

1221
00:55:58,650 --> 00:55:56,440
skeptics I'm pretty impressed the style

1222
00:56:01,470 --> 00:55:58,660
of the diviners is pretty good not many

1223
00:56:02,910 --> 00:56:01,480
people are dipping it or using it

1224
00:56:04,830 --> 00:56:02,920
incorrectly it's like they've had some

1225
00:56:06,510 --> 00:56:04,840
sort of spooky experience but the

1226
00:56:09,060 --> 00:56:06,520
tension is high this gentleman Lee is

1227
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:09,070
now deciding between four and five and

1228
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:11,650
three I think man the tension it's just

1229
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:12,850
something you can cut but something you

1230
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:24,130
cut tension me do most people seem

1231
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:25,570
confident as they give you their number

1232
00:56:35,550 --> 00:56:33,280
Jessica I think so okay do you feel

1233
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,560
confident in your pick dear Gail yes

1234
00:56:38,070 --> 00:56:37,359
she's very confident it could be a

1235
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:38,080
winner there

1236
00:57:56,310 --> 00:57:49,260
okay Richard okay was a number four

1237
00:57:58,349 --> 00:57:56,320
number six we had somebody only one

1238
00:58:03,230 --> 00:57:58,359
person Darryl pick the water that was

1239
00:58:06,450 --> 00:58:03,240
under box number six maybe see their

1240
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:06,460
probability of getting two runs correct

1241
00:58:12,570 --> 00:58:11,290
by chance alone one in 36 very good so

1242
00:58:14,910 --> 00:58:12,580
we're doing this for the hundred

1243
00:58:16,650 --> 00:58:14,920
thousand dollars and we have more mini

1244
00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:16,660
bills or whatever we need slightly

1245
00:58:31,140 --> 00:58:54,380
[Applause]

1246
00:58:54,390 --> 00:59:20,779
[Music]

1247
00:59:23,339 --> 00:59:22,620
we're speaking to the winner of the

1248
00:59:26,279 --> 00:59:23,349
water

1249
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:26,289
Monica Darrell now - what do you put

1250
00:59:30,989 --> 00:59:28,450
down your amazing success finding the

1251
00:59:32,579 --> 00:59:30,999
bottle of water tonight well I I found

1252
00:59:34,859 --> 00:59:32,589
the bottle of water by dangling my

1253
00:59:37,650 --> 00:59:34,869
android phone over the boxes

1254
00:59:39,420 --> 00:59:37,660
was he cheating I was know about how I

1255
00:59:41,849 --> 00:59:39,430
cheated the way I cheated was that I

1256
00:59:43,150 --> 00:59:41,859
psycho kinetically told the dice which

1257
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:43,160
way to land

1258
00:59:48,190 --> 00:59:45,650
why that's a new one that's a new one

1259
00:59:48,910 --> 00:59:48,200
mr. smarty Richard I'm gobsmacked I

1260
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:48,920
didn't think of that

1261
00:59:53,770 --> 00:59:51,440
yes you put that new credibility and

1262
00:59:56,140 --> 00:59:53,780
smoked it well well done so what'd you

1263
00:59:59,140 --> 00:59:56,150
win for your efforts tonight I won a

1264
01:00:00,370 --> 00:59:59,150
t-shirt and a drink well that's the

1265
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:00,380
biggest prize that have been given to

1266
01:00:04,450 --> 01:00:02,210
the skeptic servo so congratulate that

1267
01:00:06,250 --> 01:00:04,460
won't happen again no I enjoyed the

1268
01:00:08,140 --> 01:00:06,260
drink though well done well

1269
01:00:09,130 --> 01:00:08,150
congratulations oh thank you Richard had

1270
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:09,140
to go tonight

1271
01:00:11,710 --> 01:00:10,130
pretty much what you would have expected

1272
01:00:14,980 --> 01:00:11,720
with this about a hundred people here

1273
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:14,990
yeah you know what it really was we had

1274
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:17,690
two rounds of water divining which was

1275
01:00:24,490 --> 01:00:22,370
about right we had six rounds heads and

1276
01:00:27,970 --> 01:00:24,500
tails which is about right six or seven

1277
01:00:29,380 --> 01:00:27,980
rounds and we well the only thing that

1278
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:29,390
was out of the ordinary was somebody got

1279
01:00:34,090 --> 01:00:32,330
six in a cards right we didn't expect

1280
01:00:35,770 --> 01:00:34,100
that right because you would expect a

1281
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:35,780
result of two or three at the most

1282
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:38,720
usually within two or three but it's if

1283
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:40,130
you look at a bell curve it's certainly

1284
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:42,290
within the bell curve and if we did it

1285
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:43,910
again and again and again it would even

1286
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:45,410
out of course but that was a slightly

1287
01:00:50,350 --> 01:00:47,690
unusual result now with Ward divining

1288
01:00:52,780 --> 01:00:50,360
where you have a choice of six in was

1289
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:52,790
saying to get the $10,000 skeptic prize

1290
01:00:56,290 --> 01:00:54,050
here in Australia you would have to get

1291
01:00:57,970 --> 01:00:56,300
to the one-in-a-million point how many

1292
01:00:59,440 --> 01:00:57,980
times would you have to get it right out

1293
01:01:01,570 --> 01:00:59,450
of the one in six to get to the

1294
01:01:03,100 --> 01:01:01,580
one-in-a-million result you can cut me

1295
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:03,110
on the spot I have to do the

1296
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:05,090
calculations but one in a million is

1297
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:09,680
more of a phrase it just has to be

1298
01:01:15,250 --> 01:01:13,370
sufficient to exclude chance right so

1299
01:01:17,260 --> 01:01:15,260
one in a hundred thousand would probably

1300
01:01:19,330 --> 01:01:17,270
be good enough yeah depend on depending

1301
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:19,340
on the test but the point is it could be

1302
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:21,200
one in a trillion if somebody can do it

1303
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:22,970
then the odds don't matter because

1304
01:01:26,860 --> 01:01:24,530
they'll repeatedly do it they'll just do

1305
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:26,870
it you could throw any odds they like at

1306
01:01:30,610 --> 01:01:29,090
it yes so I've just I've just come up

1307
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:30,620
with a drink for Richard Maynard can I

1308
01:01:34,330 --> 01:01:32,570
buy your drink yes thank you I'll go

1309
01:01:36,220 --> 01:01:34,340
with that 70s classic vodka and orange

1310
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:36,230
in a short glass thank you awesome

1311
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:58,800
[Music]

1312
01:02:02,830 --> 01:02:01,060
thank you for listening to the skipping

1313
01:02:07,780 --> 01:02:02,840
zone this week now as I said at the top

1314
01:02:10,990 --> 01:02:07,790
of the show late breaking news let me

1315
01:02:16,290 --> 01:02:11,000
have a look according to the ABC ABC net

1316
01:02:19,390 --> 01:02:16,300
day you as an item here published today

1317
01:02:22,660 --> 01:02:19,400
just just published anti-vaccination

1318
01:02:26,010 --> 01:02:22,670
myths debunked in a new campaign to

1319
01:02:29,140 --> 01:02:26,020
counter low immunization rates and this

1320
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:29,150
goes on to say there is no truth in the

1321
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:31,370
anti vaccination campaign and the

1322
01:02:34,750 --> 01:02:33,530
ongoing myths around it are putting

1323
01:02:37,180 --> 01:02:34,760
Australian lives at risk

1324
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:37,190
Australia's chief medical officer has

1325
01:02:42,220 --> 01:02:39,650
said at the launch of a new campaign in

1326
01:02:45,610 --> 01:02:42,230
Melbourne and I think gathering what I

1327
01:02:48,670 --> 01:02:45,620
can gather quickly it could have it

1328
01:02:51,580 --> 01:02:48,680
could be the work of the anti-vaxxers

1329
01:02:54,220 --> 01:02:51,590
that has helped inspire this new

1330
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:54,230
campaign a film VAX from cover-up to

1331
01:02:59,560 --> 01:02:56,570
catastrophe has been causing controversy

1332
01:03:02,530 --> 01:02:59,570
by linking measles mumps rubella vaccine

1333
01:03:04,210 --> 01:03:02,540
to autism so the government is the it

1334
01:03:07,300 --> 01:03:04,220
says the Australian Government launched

1335
01:03:09,850 --> 01:03:07,310
a 5.5 million dollar immunization

1336
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:09,860
education campaign to counter the views

1337
01:03:13,060 --> 01:03:11,450
of the anti vaccination lobby with

1338
01:03:17,290 --> 01:03:13,070
evidence-based information that parents

1339
01:03:19,390 --> 01:03:17,300
could easily access G anti-vaxxers I

1340
01:03:21,970 --> 01:03:19,400
don't know maybe we should send you a

1341
01:03:25,050 --> 01:03:21,980
bottle of champagne for helping raise

1342
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:25,060
the level of awareness in this country

1343
01:03:30,450 --> 01:03:27,680
through the federal government to the

1344
01:03:34,030 --> 01:03:30,460
benefits of vaccine well done well done

1345
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:34,040
enough of that sarcasm coming up on next

1346
01:03:37,450 --> 01:03:36,050
week's show well if there's any updates

1347
01:03:39,820 --> 01:03:37,460
to this story we'll certainly bring you

1348
01:03:41,950 --> 01:03:39,830
those I know we have some more reports

1349
01:03:44,650 --> 01:03:41,960
from the raw skeptic Heidi Robinson

1350
01:03:46,540 --> 01:03:44,660
waiting in the wings Heidi was very busy

1351
01:03:48,610 --> 01:03:46,550
she sent me some wonderful reports and

1352
01:03:51,550 --> 01:03:48,620
interviews so will slot one of those in

1353
01:03:53,620 --> 01:03:51,560
for next week I think we're going to

1354
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:53,630
bring you some of the highlights of the

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launch of science week or the science

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festival here in Sydney Maynard and I

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went down to the powerhouse museum just

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a few nights ago where we attended the

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launch and had a really wonderful time

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thank you to the wonderful folks at the

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powerhouse museum for having us there

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and we spoke to lots of scientists

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including including the fabulous dr.

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Jody Rowley from the Australian Museum

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who's an expert on frogs frogs it's

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really interesting stuff and as ever my

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personal thanks to everybody who

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contributes to the show to keep it

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online on air out there in your ears you

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know what I mean and no matter where

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you're listening to us if you're sitting

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on the train at the moment almost at

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your work from commuting if you're out

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walking the dog or jogging some people

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listen to us riding their bicycles some

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people some truckers truck ease truckers

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in Australia and I know in Canada

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driving through the snow listen to the

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skeptic zone well I'm really pleased

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that we are keeping you company where

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your friend

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I hope on long journey is something

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interesting for you to listen to but

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until next week this is Richard Saunders

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signing off from Sydney Australia you've

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[Music]

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I've opened the window of the studio

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here and there are two little skeptic

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zone cats hello sniffing the microphone

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you two now just before leaping down

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they were living their presence be known

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with mouths and things because I think

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they want some breakfast

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what's that of course once you put the

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microphone on and you want them to say

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something silence come up here come on

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look see that see what we can get them

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to say lord I know this is a surefire

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way I'll go down stop run downstairs

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here we go and I'll go into the laundry